this goes off year after year with relatively to problems. you know -- no problems. you know, this has actually been, those two things have been good advantages. i think the major failing over the last 20 years, and it really goes even back beyond that, is that because we were in a sort of anti-government mode for much of that time and we had at least until the last election a very ascendant conservative feeling in the country, we started to do government not through government. and i think what my two colleagues here are reflecting is that we began to implement policy through regulation and through the tax system. as opposed to taking on policy head on. so your example, phil, about the congo, okay? look, clearly that place is a mess. clearly -- >> uh-huh. no argument. [laughter] >> every good intention people in the congress wanted to make a stance. but doing it that way? as opposed through a more direct, straight-on, diplomatic endeavor? okay, so we see this all over the place in the area of regulation and in the area of of tax expenditures. a government that has b